Could a convention center work at Seattle Center?
Efforts to build a large expansion of Seattle's convention center are picking up steam, just as the economy loses power. At the coming session of the Legislature, lawmakers will look for projects that have immediate economic benefit. Doubling the Washington State Convention and Trade Center, as reported here earlier, can provide immediate construction jobs and pretty assured (and unionized) hotel and restaurant business. Moreover, the money to fund an expansion would come from visitor taxes (mostly on hotel rooms) and so wouldn't feel like a hit to taxpayers.
What's proposed is a stand-alone meeting palace, about the size of the current convention center (200,000 square feet of exhibition and meeting space), or maybe as big as 300,000 square feet — thus moving Seattle into the serious mid-sized league for this business. Ah, but where?
The most likely location would be atop the Convention Place bus station and entrance to the Downtown Transit Tunnel at Ninth Avenue and Pine Street, just across from the Paramount Theatre and one block north of the current convention center. The property is owned by King County, as it is used by Metro Transit. County Executive Ron Sims said this week that he would be very interested in leasing the air rights to the convention center. Sims has tried for years to convert that very utilitarian block of bus stops and parking into housing or offices or even cultural use.
The downtown hotels, with heavy investments around the current Washington State Convention and Trade Center, would be strong advocates for such a site. Moreover, the hoteliers are feeling mighty abused by the way the Legislature snatched $55 million of convention center reserves to help balance last year's general fund budget, and some in the industry go so far as to suggest the hotel industry would sue over that bulb-snatching if the convention center expansion were not next door.
At this point, it gets interesting. One other site being explored, on the central waterfront, could come into play as a way to raise more money for the Alaskan Way Viaduct replacement project, though there's still so much uncertainty along the waterfront as to make that unlikely. The third site is Seattle Center, most likely along the eastern edge, where a convention center expansion would replace Memorial Stadium. This is the site that lost out to the over-the-freeway solution for the convention center back in the late 1980s. As explained by Sims, the bowl of the stadium would be used for underground parking, and a convention center on top might also do away with or adapt the oft-renovated, ugly-duckling Center House.
Sims, who has been making proposals for dramatically reshaping Seattle Center (and muzzling himself when Mayor Greg Nickels blew up at the intrusion into the city's turf), is somewhat intrigued by the Center site, and he reports some support from high officials in Olympia, including what he calls considerable interest from Gov. Chris Gregoire.
Seattle Center says it has heard nothing of the idea, and Center spokeswoman Deborah Daoust says "it's not something the Center would support." She notes that under the new Century 21 Plan for Seattle Center, just approved by the City Council, that area is to be for summer concerts and open space, through reconfiguration of the football/soccer field and grandstands. Moreover, turning the ungainly Mercer Garage (across the street from the Opera House) into a site for a hotel, which the convention center would need, would also run afoul of the City Council's decision to retain ownership of the garage. (The thought is that the garage may not be needed if underground parking is built at Memorial Stadium, but this idea is stoutly contested by the adjoining Teatro Zinzanni.) The City Council also nixed Center plans for an enlarged exhibition/conference center to the south of KeyArena, suggesting that it doesn't want the Center backsliding into the conference business.
While it's hard to see how a convention center enhances Seattle Center (few repeat customers for culture, for instance), nor how the downtown hoteliers could be induced to swallow such an idea, there could be a case for made. Such a new facility could be a game-changer — large enough to perhaps budge the Seattle School District out of Memorial Stadium altogether, and able to help dramatically the rental income at the Center, particularly if KeyArena turns into a deeper drain of revenue without the SuperSonics. It could be a consolation prize for nearby restaurants and bars, facing loss of business from the Sonics' departure for Oklahoma City. Likewise, you could argue that the Downtown Transit Tunnel entrance is better used for dense residential development or offices, right atop a multi-modal transit center.
Finally, speaking of KeyArena, Daoust reports that the Center is hoping to make a decision in the "near future" about a deal with a major concert promoter for helping to book, market, and present concerts and other events at the Key. She says three major promoters, apparently including giant AEG from Los Angeles, are in the running. A long-term lease arrangement might be necessary, and that, in turn, might be a good indication that the city has pretty much waved good bye to major league basketball.







Comments:
Posted Wed, Sep 17, 9:29 a.m. inappropriate
_: A distant second convention center would mean two underused centers, neither of which would support their neighboring hotels, restaurants, etc., anywhere near as well as a single enlarged center, or two next to each other.
The Seattle Center is theoretically an ok site, because it has some hotels already and others can be built, and because Lower Queen Anne has a lot of restaurants and services. But the Memorial Stadium site should be public open space, which Greater Downtown still lacks -- preferably shady open space: www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/ 2008/07/28/everybody-under-the-sun/ (delete space before 2008). And while you, David, seem to hate the Center House, I like it as-is. It's Seattle's rec room. Lately I've been going there a few times a week. A seismic upgrade is apparently needed but I'd rather do little else.
Posted Wed, Sep 17, 10:03 a.m. inappropriate
Seattle Center is a dumb idea: This wouldn't place Seattle in the range of "mid size conventions centers" because no booker in his/her right mind is going to split the same convention between sites miles apart. Even if we fork over for another streetcar to link the two, it would simply be too annoying for convention-goers.
Either relocate the whole thing to the waterfront to open up I-5 for congestion relief, or build it in the downtown site.
Posted Wed, Sep 17, 10:43 a.m. inappropriate
RE: Seattle Center is a dumb idea: What the Convention Center has in mind is an ability to host more mid-sized conventions, in the 100-200,000 square foot range, so the split sites are not misguided. Often there would be simultaneous conventions, and the twin sites would cut down on the dead time now used for load-in and load-out. The folks at the Convention Center recognize that they can't expand at the present site, hemmed in as it is, and they plausibly argue that you shouldn't tear down such an investment. Still, ddmiller makes a good point about how much sense it makes to have two facilities.
Posted Wed, Sep 17, 11:24 a.m. inappropriate
Seattle Center not appropriate for convention center: The Mercer mess severely limits the potential of using the Seattle Center as a convention center on a daily basis. Granted, the monorail ma alleviate some of the traffic between the downtown convention center and the seattle center convention center, but that is hardly a reliable transit service. Additionally, the lack of any hotels around the seattle center makes this option both logically and politically unfeasible. Although likely costly, building a second convention center on the downtown bus center is probably the most common-sense idea.
Posted Wed, Sep 17, 12:26 p.m. inappropriate
30 million reasons why the city will not let Key Arena go: The City of Seattle is not going to support a competing facility at Seattle Center outside of the Master Plan that was just adopted. Please include something more about that the next time you are imagineering facilities on or around the site. Thanks.
Per the settlement between Clay Bennett and the city that became final on August 17th, the city was paid $45 million to let Bennett break the lease and leave. Bennett is on the hook for 30 million more in 5 years if two conditions are met: the state authorizes a funding source for 25% of a Seattle Center arena rebuild before 12/31/2009 (they don't have to spend it, but have it available); a team is not available for Steve Ballmer to buy before August 17, 2013.
Key Arena would more than double its enclosed footprint from 386 thousand to about 800 thousand square feet. That is restaurants, conference facilities, along with Ballmer paying for the arena portion that seats 17 thousand people.
I do not see the city rejecting Steve Ballmer's 150 million, or a potential 30 million if an NBA team can not be had, which is what supporting a Seattle Center site for the Washington State Convention Center would do.
We get it, the convention people are battling for the revenue stream the city has its eye on, and you have made Chopp and Sims and the Convention Center's case for wanting to tap and spend that money for a variety of futures that plop a box in the city for unimagined conventios that do not involve sports.
Also, Key Arena is not a drain, the debt was paid off by the settlement.
Posted Wed, Sep 17, 12:41 p.m. inappropriate
actual best site: It's odd that they're not considering another lid over I-5 from Pike to Pine. That's the only option for expanding the existing center without covering more streets (for example if they tried a skybridge complex to skake over to Convention Place Station). An I-5 location would allow simple connections from the existing main halls, allowing larger conventions while also allowing the new wing to serve independently, even handling a simultaneous event.
PS, I'd love to see housing on the station site. Or what a location for a park.
Posted Wed, Sep 17, 1:21 p.m. inappropriate
Mixed use?: I'd love to see the convention center over the bus station, with a highrise residential building on top. This way conference-style amenities like restaurants can have baseline sales even between conventions. I also like the lid idea, even if it's just a continuation of freeway park, since it would tie the two convention centers together.
Posted Thu, Sep 18, 8:34 a.m. inappropriate
Flip-flopping Ron: I remember when Sims envisioned, promoted and led a "Dream of Fields" program in Seattle to build ball fields for kids. Now he proposes to turn a ball field for kids into an underground parking lot. As with light rail, Sims in his dotage has become a flip-flopper.